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War with Iran, before or after nukes

War with Iran before they get nukes? Or after?

One of Marc Cooper’s commenters said: "we pushed Iran into the hands of the most militant forces " -- what a convenient excuse for blaming America. Bah. Like Iran is full of little mindless animals and everything that is anybody's "fault" is America's fault.

America has influence, not control. Like Israel over the Palestinians; influence, not control. Perhaps you think it was American/ Israeli control that "made" Arafat a greedy corrupt parasite on the Palestinian people? Marc, why not find out how many millions Arafat's widow is getting?

The Palestinians oppress themselves, and blame Israel -- like a wife beater blaming the friends of the beaten wife.

M. Leeden, who wants immediate action (invasion?) of Iran, but is also an expert on their activities, says the Gaza & Lebanon murders & kidnappings have been long prepared by Iran.

I think if Israel had merely "negotiated", the Hex rockets would have increased in size and destruction.

I think a "proportionate" response is the minimum which causes a peaceful result: a border where rockets don't cross. Israel is right to think that they need to destroy Hezbollah, FOR the weak Lebanon gov't, and give S. Lebanon back to that weak gov't, but with such a weakened Hex that the weak Lebanese can handle them. (If Israel thinks this.)

Solutions that don't stop the rockets aren't solutions.

I suspect Israel is ready for Iran to escalate, rather than surrender; so I won't be surprised if Syria gets involved. And very, very rapidly loses its air force.

The US vetoed a resolution condemning Israel; similar to how China protects N. Korea -- thus, Israel is not yet violating "international law" meaning UN SC resolutions.

I think in a year, the Lebanon gov't will be much stronger, and more in control of Lebanon than most Lebanese believed possible, last year.

I, too am sorry for the civilians that have been killed -- but I blame it on Hezbollah for ... pushing Israel into the hands of its most militant forces.

One of the key ideas I try to express is one of good and bad points of different alternatives. What I like about Marc Cooper is that he's usually pretty honest about the bad points of both alternatives.

What's a drag there, and most places, is the lack of comparing both bad and good points.

I'm really glad that the USA hasn't suffered another major terror strike. I'm also really glad Iraq has had 3 elections, and now has an elected Iraq gov't -- and I suspect is on track for long, slow, successful nation building.

No Leftists here, or elsewhere, seem willing to offer numbers. What unemployment rate would look good? What's the average of the G-7?

It's kinda easy to complain about "results" when one denies that the official results (4.8 unemployment) are accurate -- why should I believe some other estimate?

I've been paying over $4/gal for gas for years here in Slovakia -- but high, higher, and ever higher prices are the "peaceful" way to change people's behavior. Which is what prices do in a "free market". In accordance with classical liberal (in Europe) = libertarian thought.

It's pretty hard to accept that the Left cares more about the poor on minimum wages, when it's clear most on the Left do NOT want to allow the really really poor Mexicans to offer to work for $5/hr, or $4, or perhaps even less.

Similarly, it's increasingly hilarious to me that the Left refuses to make the minimum wage unnecessary, by offering higher paid jobs! Oh yeah, the Left doesn't offer jobs to poor people, or almost anybody -- they want to gov't to do it, or the rich, or somebody else. Lazy anti-peaceful unsustainable solutions.

War with Iran before they get nukes? Or after?

Posted by: TomGrey at 07/14/06 23:14 | link | comments (1)
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